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October 27, 2011

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Tom

Couldn't agree more - Moebius still looks like the future. I've still don't understand how he does what he does. I'm still looking for the 'next' Moebius.

Thanks for introducing me to a lot of new European artists.

A note on what one of you all said regarding capitalism and comics. I think we do live in an age of corporation's rewarding copy cats. It's true of comics, music and film. I think it was in the Art Adams interview where you talked about how many unique artists there were in the early 80's whereas now you have a lot of guys who just look like each other or someone who came before. It reminds me of an article I read about Nirvana being great but ruining mainstream music because of all the shitty Nirvana/Pearl Jam watered down knock-off bands that suddenly got radio play and continue to do so. Hello, Nickelback. I kind of wonder if the same couldn't be said for something like Image Comics. Each of those creators sort of created companies within Image that used artists that mimicked their own style and with the success of Image the big 2 followed suit. Ironic now because Image has one of the more diverse offerings.

Josh Sheppard

Great show guys! Thanks a lot.
I read that Herb Trimpe article years ago in the newspaper. It was truly heartbreaking. I was getting tons of work storyboarding TV commercials at the time in L.A., so I actually tracked him down and called him at home, to talk with him about getting into storyboards. He was very touched that a fan would go to that trouble, but he said he'd folded up his drawing board, and was happy teaching Junior High. I think he was in upstate NY. This must have been about 1999?
He sounded genuinely happy, and was glad to be rid of constant deadlines and editors. It was a new chapter in his life, and he sounded very upbeat about it.
For me it was nice coda to that sad story.

Marc

Great show but the highlight was the fact you gave some love to Rich Buckler!! It was a quick comment but it caught my ear. So often you only hear of how Buckler "swiped" a certain artist & had no style of his own. I discovered him as a kid in the late 70's & mostly loved his work because he reminded me of my favorite Neal Adams. It wasn't until I bought his run of "Deathlok" off Ebay a few yrs ago that I really appreciated his work. Dude was an AWESOME artist!! I love that series! Rick Buckler is so much more than the guy who drew like Kirby & Adams. Thanks for giving him some props!

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Moebius *is* French.

Michel Fiffe

Loved the episode, as usual. Your description of Buckler is hilarious. Also, *Levitz*, of all people, turning down anything by Toth is... laughable. A fucking travesty, really.

Anyway, ABOUT "style"... I should point out Herb Trimpe's diary from the 90s. Don't read if you get easily depressed:

http://www.hulklibrary.com/hulk/info/news-herbtrimpefired.asp

In short, here was a man who gave decades to the business (one company, actually), tried his hardest to adapt to every changing trend, and was acutely aware of editorial weeding him out. It sounds like a car crash in slow motion.

Another point of interest is this fact filled dateline of Colan's treatment by Marvel up until his death:

http://deathtotheuniverse.blogspot.com/2011/07/wake-up.html

Although the most coldhearted, ignorant fanboy may boil it down to "Hey, it's just the biz, man. Deal with it, Kirby, Trimpe, and Colan... screw you if you can't get your shit straight", doesn't mean that attitude is accurate or just (scary how dominant it is, though). It's not simply "the biz", it's human beings putting in way more than they can ever hope to get back, and that's the sober reality of comics that goes beyond style or trends or flavors of the month. It's all too random and fickle to nail down to a science.

I'm curious about this new generation of artists, those who know that their time will come and how they're preparing for it. Because their time WILL come. Whether you're a mainstream hack, an "indie" guy who really just looks mainstream, a fan fave, an erratic genius, a newbie who just got his story optioned, an ignored workhorse, or an illustrator who's slumming it in comics... there will come the day that editors stop. Calling. You. Back.

Remember, it was Kirby who once said that "comics will break your heart." He hasn't been proven wrong yet.

Mario Chavez

lots going on this episode, but i'll comment on the campbell part. i was talking about this with my girl the other night. she likes his art, it's cute and I dug it back in the 90's, but she asked why i wasn't into it now. the reason being is...it hasn't changed...at all....I would have expected to see some change to his work given his time working as a professional, but i don't see it. I think that the reason for that might be a simple one. it's fear. fear of losing the following you might have, the clients you might have, the jobs that you have. If you make a living with your art, it can be scary to change and risk your art no longer selling. Although in his case, if he is making a pretty decent living through his art, he can probably afford to take a chance and try to improve on what he does. Not change just for the sake of change, but trying something new as you push to improve. I think fear can play a big part in creating art, but i'll leave that alone for now, cause thats a whole other topic :P

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